Saturday, May 30, 2015

Some Interesting Arguments On The Existence Of God

I got this via email a while back from a believer named Perry Marshall. From a pure logical standpoint, I'm not sure Mr. Marshall has proven God exists (as his argument does leave open the possibility that extraterrestrial aliens could be involved), but he brings up a lot of points that Atheists dogmatically refuse to discuss, let alone refute.

I'll excerpt the email and post the key points. Perry Marshall wrote:

"In June 2005 I delivered my lecture "If you can read this I can prove God exists" and posted it on my website."

"A few months after I posted my talk, a gentleman named Rob sent me an email that said, "I see right through your sophistry and pseudoscience..." and an intense discussion began."

Marshall's argument is this:

1. The pattern in DNA is a code (by definition)

2. All codes we know the origin of are designed (by observation)

Therefore we can explore five possible conclusions:

a) Humans designed DNA
b) Aliens designed DNA
c) DNA occurred randomly and spontaneously
d) There must be some undiscovered law of physics that creates information
e) DNA was Designed by a Superintelligence, i.e. God.

Marshall then elaborates:

(a) requires time travel or infinite generations of humans.
(b)could well be true but only pushes the question back in time. 
(c) may be a remote possibility, but it's not a scientific explanation in that it doesn't refer to a systematic, repeatable process. It's nothing more than an appeal to luck.
(d) could be true but no one can form a testable hypothesis until someone observes a naturally occurring code. So the only systematic explanation that remains is:
(e) a theological one.


3. To the extent that scientific reasoning can prove anything, DNA is proof of a designer.

While Marshall's conclusion is debatable, it does present certain irrefutable points.

Technically, DNA is not jut a code, but it contains a combination of coding genes and proteins. Recently, scientists have discovered new coding sequences within DNA that only increase the complexity of how it works.While Marshall may not be able to prove that it's impossible to generate DNA code naturally, the newest findings suggest that the mathematical odds against DNA occurring naturally increase as newer complexities are discovered, or in a more raw sense, as we learn more about DNA.

The more we learn, the harder Naturalism becomes to justify. At least, to those who attempt to keep an open mind. Unfortunately, Atheism's proponents continue to pull these shenanigans, as Marshall pointed out:

"If you spend any time on Infidels, you'll see - it's not like those guys are real big on manners. The anger and hostility is so thick you can cut it with a knife. The Infidels website is 6,000 pages of rage and vitriol."

Perry Marshall's commentaries can be found at:


JBsptfn said...

But when you say that they have a worldview, they deny it, even though it says so on the Infidels website.

Oh, my. They are some of the biggest babies out there. I have seen people like Richard Carrier, Chris Hallquist, and Jeff Lowder come up short in arguments with good apologists like Metacrock and J.P. Holding.

Speaking of Atheists, here is something you may like to check out:

Atheism Analyzed: A dozen reasons not to engage Atheists

Also, that Cosmic Fingerprints site seems interesting (with what little I looked at it). You should put it in your believer blog section along with Atheism Analyzed (if you like it upon checking it out. Also, just so you know, the Physicalism is dead blog doesn't exist anymore).

Also, speaking of evolution, you should check this site out:

Science Against Evolution

JBsptfn said...

Also, Stoogie, you should check this out. It is from Atheist Oasis:

Atheist Oasis: Happy Zombie Day

You quoted a link from there three years ago around the time of the theater shooting in Colorado.

Stoogie said...


Your suggestions have been linked. Thanks!

JBsptfn said...

You're welcome. Glad to help out.