Monday, December 31, 2012

An Atheist Tries To Think

Here's what you get when you let people spout off in a free unmoderated website:

Religion is all made up

Most people know down deep that this is true,  (ad populum fallacy) which is why they only revere people who heard God’s voice in ancient times, while admitting that modern-day people who hear God are insane.

This is truly a boring generality. Why do atheists like this illogically post opinions as facts?

Without God, there would be no holy wars; no genital mutilations; no prosperity gospel; no anti-science bias in education; no tax-exempt churches; no denial of global warming; no blaming sin for hurricanes and school shootings; and no soccer stadiums filled with 10,000 men who have come to watch another man decapitate a woman.

There are some facts this atheist, as well as other atheists, gleefully ignore:

1. Wars are mainly territorial conflicts. The most costly wars in history didn't happen over religion.

2. The "proseprity gospel" is a product of man, not God.

3. Where is the "anti-science bias" in education? All public educational institutions feature science classes.

4. Not all global warming skeptics are religious believers.

5. School shootings ARE a sin.

6. If God is responsible for public decapitations, it should be more than just a localized phenomenon.

 Liberal believers aren’t as bad as other believers because their God only exists as a mile-high stack of harmless metaphors. Unfortunately, their rejection of evidence and reason in “matters of faith” still puts them on the side of ignorance and superstition.

This is pure arrogance, and silly besides. Placing "liberal" believers above fundamentalists simply because they treat God as mere brain candy is just ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is this atheist's claim that religious believers are superstitious and ignorant. Some very brilliant minds believe in God. This poor atheist needs to get out from behind his (I assume it's a "he", anyway) PC and get some fresh air. 

When the religious right persecutes atheists for trying to keep America from becoming a theocracy, religious liberals support the persecuters by remaining silent. Fortunately, 20% of Americans no longer have any religious affiliation, and their number is growing rapidly. Most of these people still believe in what they call something, but at least they’re not trying to make their beliefs into laws.

Oh, puleeze, show us where the poor atheists are being "persecuted". As far as I've seen, it's the atheists who raise a stink and run to the ACLU or the Freedom From Religion Foundation at the slightest mention of God in a public school or on the wall of a courtroom. The whole claim of a "theocracy" is overblown paranoia on the part of atheists, who demand a tolerance they are seldom willing to show.

By the way, it's 15% of the people surveyed who have no religious affiliation, and the number hasn't grown much in the last few years. Village Atheists love to spout phrases like "growing raidly" without bothing to show any statistics to back up their bantering.

More's the pity.

14 comments:

Nameless Cynic said...

Aw, that's cute. You take a random misspelled post from some unknown commenter, and try to pretend it's the universal IQ of all atheists.

Why do atheists like this illogically post opinions as facts?

Probably for the same reason you do. They have their opinions, and they occasionally wave them around. Are you going to honestly say that there aren't any ignorant Christian opinions out there?

Wars are mainly territorial conflicts.

True. Of course, you posted the guy saying "no holy wars, but I guess it's convenient for you to ignore that, isn't it?

The "proseprity gospel" is a product of man, not God.

Fair point. Of course, the same can also be said about all of the gospels, but you're right with that one.

Where is the "anti-science bias" in education?

So you're not much of a reader, huh? how about the major purveyors of textbooks trying to insert creationism into the curricula? How about outside groups agitating to get gay teachers fired, or to prevent phys ed that involves yoga. I can go on, if you'd like.

School shootings ARE a sin.

No, they're a crime. It's a sin that you can't see that.

If God is responsible for public decapitations, it should be more than just a localized phenomenon.

Well, that one should be phrased "BELIEF IN God," I suppose: to be honest, the entire list should be. And that's also obviously the intent of the poster. But you're welcome to be intentionally dim if you want.

Even more ridiculous is this atheist's claim that religious believers are superstitious and ignorant.

Superstition n
1 a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary

I'm not seeing much to argue about in there.

Oh, puleeze, show us where the poor atheists are being "persecuted"

Really? Again, you don't read much, do you? Just this year, Jessica Ahlquist received death threats and was publicly insulted by politicians for saying that a prayer shouldn't be up on a school wall.

Or try this little list. Your little rant isn't holding up well.

By the way, it's 15% of the people surveyed who have no religious affiliation, and the number hasn't grown much in the last few years.

Funny, a recent Pew poll disputes both those points.

So, really, this guy seems to be more on the ball than you are.

JBsptfn said...

And, Atheists like to claim those 15% without religious affiliation as their own. I also heard that they tried to claim Buddhists as their own on another study as well.

Jay McHue said...

Nice work. Great blog.

Stoogie said...

Aw, Nameless Cynic, thanks for posting under some moniker besides "anonymous".

Your condescension is typical and humorous. NEWS FLASH: I'm not an idiot. You can use the 'big boy voice' when you discuss things with me.

On your 1st point: nice Tu Quoque there.

On your 2nd point: holy wars ARE territorial conflicts. To claim there'd be less war without religion is simply ignorance of history.

On your 4th point: you FAIL to address the issue. Nice tap dance there.

So who are these "major purveyors" you're talking about? Got any examples of gay teachers being fired or Phys Ed that involves yoga?

Psstttt... a crime IS a sin.
By the way, superstition is based on irrationality. Now prove all god believers are irrational, otherwise your comparison falls apart.

ONE example of an atheist being "persecuted" by a few insults or anonymous death threats? Tell ya what, pal, compare that to some REAL persecution of Christians:

http://www.persecution.org/2012/10/22/no-arrests-made-in-relation-to-beating-of-pastor-in-india/

http://www.religiontoday.com/blog/coptic-christians-upper-egypt-attacked-beaten.html

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/12/assailants-stab-beat-christian-worshippers-outside-indonesias-capital/

Now cry to me about poor Ms. Ahlquist's plight. Or your link of scary scary states where atheist agitation is greeted with disapproval. Show me one place in the U.S. where atheists are driven from their homes or beaten in the streets. I'll wait.

And try reading the Pew Poll yourself. Nearly 20% "don't identify with any religion", but 30% of that group believe God exists.That puts Atheists at about 12% of the population. According to Pew, the number of Atheists hasn't even doubled in the last 30 years. Some rapid growth there!

Thanks for your response. I just love it when Atheists respond here. Y'all come back now, ya hear?

Nameless Cynic said...

Oh, look at you! You are so cute!! Trying to pretend like you have some concept of logic! And you even say "big boy voice!"

(OK, I'm done. For now. Just don't try to pretend like you've got the intellectual advantage when you start from the "Big Invisible, All-Powerful Guy in the Sky" standpoint. Logic just seems to fall away at that point, you know?)

On your 1st point: nice Tu Quoque there

Absolutely. Of course, to point out the tu quoque in your tu quoque argument starts to approach the "I'm not stupid! YOU are!!" of the playground battle, so I'm just going to leave it there, to pretend like you can see the problem with your response.

On your 2nd point: holy wars ARE territorial conflicts

Yeah, yeah. Go ahead, try to pretend that you didn't ignore the initial claim. Nice deflection. Meanwhile, he said there would be no holy wars, you tried to twist that into "there'd be no wars."

Stop it, or I'll have to start pulling quotations on you. You know, like Proverbs 14:5 ("An honest witness does not deceive, but a false witness pours out lies").

On your 4th point: you FAIL to address the issue. Nice tap dance there. So who are these "major purveyors" you're talking about? Got any examples of gay teachers being fired or Phys Ed that involves yoga?

Really? OK, let's see if I can make this easier on you. The links? They're the BLUE letters in the answers. You click them, and they take you to actual news sources about those very subjects. And if you read through them, you find out stuff, like the fact that the major seller of textbooks makes their determination on what to offer to other markets, based on what Texas buys.

I'm sorry. When you started using phrases like 'big boy voice,' I made the assumption that you were going to click through the evidence I offered, and maybe even make an intellectual determination of facts. Instead of just ignoring the evidence and clinging to ignorance and dogmatism.

Sorry. Forgot where I was.

Now, you want to talk about religious intolerance, right? But then, for some reason, you want to compare the responses in a third-world non-Christian theocracy (Christians attacked in a Muslim community) to people in a supposedly law-abiding first-world state (atheists in America).

You see the logical disconnect there?

As to the Pew poll, you're the one moving the goalposts. I pointed out where the guy got his information.

Now, you just feel free to keep up this faux superior tone. As you've probably guessed, I can do the same. Or we can discuss things like adults.

But you probably don't like doing that, do you?

JBsptfn said...

This Atheist seems to be stating how religion causes all wars, and it is supposed to be a hit against Christanity.

Correct me if i'm wrong, though, but where did Jesus tell his disciples to start stupid wars? Jesus is the founder of Christianity, not some religious zealots.

Religious zealots were the exact same people who Jesus was opposed to when he was on earth. In fact, Jesus didn't come to start a religion, but to teach love.

Anthony Dole Dole said...

How come when these atheists try to think, they always resort to using straw men, and name calling? It's like they know their arguments are terrible but because they've convinced themselves they're above us stupid theists so they have to be right about everything. Love this blog, keep up the good (and hilarious) work.

Stoogie said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Stoogie said...

Nameless Cynic:

It's obvious you don't understand what I'm trying to do here, which is to provoke you into thinking about what you and other atheists post on the internet, so I'll try to be as simple and concise as possible to make things easier for you.

1. Explain how logic seems to fall away if you believe God exists. Bigoted much?

2. Tu Quoque is tu quoque. But I guess it's Ok when you do it, right?

3. I didn't twist anything concerning holy wars. I simply explained that wars are wars and they all happen for the same reasons with the same results. The idea of escalating "holy wars" to some higher level of evil due to their title is just silly.

Let's look at the Crusades, the one series of holy wars most atheists have ever heard of. The Crusades were a response to 4 years of territorial expansion by the Ottoman Turks. The Turks wanted land and to secure all the Eastern trade routes. That's all it boiled down to.

For Atheists to claim the Crusades were unjust is to suggest that Europe would be better off speaking Arabic and living under a theocratic system that sanctifies Honor killings and genital mutilation. Look at what has happened to the Muslim world over the last 700 years. Would you have all of continental Europe living like that?

Would WWII be considered unjust if it was called a holy war?

4. I did check out your links. Got anything besides biased atheist websites? As far as I can see, public education materials are still featuring evolution. The big issue here is that Atheists don't want opposing viewpoints discussed in a classroom. I guess "academic freedom" only aplies to angry college professors who like to bash our brave military personnel. But noooo... the mere emntion of I.D. in a science class is eeeevil!

5. Persecution is persecution, whether it happens in the Peoples Republic of China or Skokie, Indiana. Too bad you atheists get all up in arms over some anonymous threats from knuckleheads on the internet, but turn a blind eye when a pastor in China gets thrown into a slave labor camp for mentioning the Gospel in public.

Here's a clue: I've had one atheist demand I meet him somewhere so that he could beat me up simply for being a Christian. Another liberal atheist atheist emailed me, demanding my home address so that I could "meet his Glock". Now cry to me about how much worse Christians are than atheists when it comes to threats and persecution.

6. I didn't move any goalposts. I added CLARITY to a glaring generalization that lots of atheists make on the internet in their hopeful claims about the disappearance of god belief.

7. You want to have an adult discussion? Then don't begin one like this:

"Oh, look at you! You are so cute!! Trying to pretend like you have some concept of logic! And you even say "big boy voice!"

Oh, that's right, Tu Quoque is AOK when angry atheists do it.

Silly me!

JBsptfn said...

When I read that definition of Superstition, I laugh because of this part:

b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition

That definition describes some Atheists and people that are debunkers(like CSICOP) of "paranormal" activity to a T.

JBsptfn said...

Here is an example of my last comment.

This is a a part of Gerald Woerlee's website.

If you have never heard of this guy, he is an active debunker of the NDE, Jesus, and religions.

In this link, he puts up his "intelligent" opinion of how Jesus is the bastard son of God:

http://www.religion.woerlee.org/jesus-and-mohammed.php

WARNING: Read this when you have an empty stomach, or you will puke!!

Truthseeker said...

@Nameless Cynic : For reality calling Sir. This is a joke based on reality

Calls Mother Teresa a b****
Spend money on a billboard instead to africa
*bitchplease*


Calls FOX channels spread hate
Quotes Cristopher Hitchens, judging the pope and cursing Catholic Churches
*bitch please*

Saying reading a bible is a way to become atheists
Pastor read it and still christian
*bitchplease*

Saying have read all the bible verse
Yes, from evilbible.com
*bitchplease*

Belittling believers, saying Christian are bigoted and stupid
Becomes anti-theist
*bitchplease*

Telling to enjoy life
Posting troll comments on youtube
*bitchplease*

Saying Christian are bigoted
Thinks their way of thinking is the only right thing
*bitchplease*


Saying Abortion is right
complains the bible killing babies
*bitchplease*


Saying murdering is wrong
Cuts heads and limbs of unborn babies for 'choice'
*bitchplease*

Saying Mother Teresa a CATHOLIC *****
Quotes Hitchens who said she is not
*bitchplease*

Saying love and peace without religion
The solution to poor family is killing unborn baby
*bitchplease*

Tells Republican is stupid
Threatens a Christian with a glock
*bitchplease*

Saying God is a tyrant, sensitive man
Gets angry when criticised
*bitchplease

Saying people to think to themselves
Copy paste positiveatheism.com
*bitchplease*


Saying abortion is prochoice
Mother killing kids is her choice.
*bitchplease*

Tells people bible is not evidence
But quote Jesus myth using old, authorless book
*bitchplease*

Saying God didn't exist
Insults him anyway
*bitchplease*

Beliefs in tolerance
Tells a Christian to die because of its views
*bitchplease*

Belittling believers for ego
Drinks Beer and buy overpriced Ipad
*bitchplease*

Lookie internet atheists here.
my pal's an atheist, but so what? He is a pro-life. Didn't post hatred. Think objectively.

'It's true people's belief didn't count their attitudes, but what makes you sure that lack of belief would escalate your quality?'

Truthseeker said...

@JB : Hey, is that loon serious?
I know monkeys more intelligent than him if that is his best apply of his intelligent.

JBsptfn said...

Truthseeker, Gerald apparently has an ego that stretches from the East to the West. He knows what he is doing. He apparently wants to influence unread Atheists.

In his book, The Unholy Legacy of Abraham, he is talking to this "Thomas" and telling him "facts" about religions and other related things. He expects him to be his sycophant.

Here is another post about Woerlee:

http://atheistwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/review-of-gm-woerlee-insights-form.html